Of Burnt Aqua
I wanted to throw up a short note about iTunes 5, even though it's pushing 4:30am and I'm having to add more wicks to the candle, because some have gotten the wrong impression about my post yesterday -- or rather are reading too much into it.
It's understandable, as its lacking some context, which is my fault, as I tried to do a quickie on something deserving a longy. Judging by my inbox people are annoyed at a lot of things about the iTunes 5 interface, while yesterday I was reveling in the glory that is Burnt Aqua Unified. I have to keep this somewhat short, because otherwise the embargo on the site in order to get things done for the site will be meaningless, but basically they have the right of it.
If we boil it down, the are two main reasons coming to mind for why brushed metal has such a high suck factor:
- It's ugly. This is subjective, but no one thinks they have bad taste, and all you have to do is look around at some of themes available for OS X and Windows and Linux to know Apple doesn't have a monopoly on it.
- It makes little sense in a cohesive UI scheme where you want things to be consistent, because that's part of what usability studies tell us help us use computers better. Basically, Apple wanted brushed metal, so they tried to write it into the human interface docs so that it would make sense, but it didn't, so the docs quickly had little meaning.
Instead of just learning how Aqua apps behaved, you basically split your head into two classes of how apps worked -- brushed metal and Aqua. And... brushed metal apps that would quit instead of closing when you clicked the red button, and ones that didn't, and...
Personally, my head jumped ahead, and I'm hoping the changes in iTunes 5 signify some movement on [2]. There are so many things wrong now that I have this little mental list in my head, and when I see something get checked in them -- anything at all -- it makes the utility belt tingle.
Remember, back when the brushed metal train was starting to roll, there was talk on the internets of having the entire OS go brushed metal. In my personal opinion, this would have been ugly as sin. However, if every part of the system -- including the menu bar -- was brushed metal, it would have been consistent. Every app would either close or quit when you clicked the red button in the corner, and every app would be able to be dragged by the margins or empty space. Right now, little is consistent.
Yesterday, I was going by a screenshot on Apple's site, because I didn't feel like stopping everything and rebooting my computer just to install an MP3 player (wtf?), but yes, it's some new bastardized thing Apple is yet again going sideways on, by taking the Aqua Unified look and... charring it. The corners are horrifyingly low-quality. The HIG has lost all meaning beyond "Whatever you think looks best for your app at the time." Every single thing they're complaining about is valid and should be addressed.
However, while it's not quite the new 'Unified' interface, it just about is -- the differences seem to be primarily cosmetic. This isn't the war, but it may be movement, because Aqua Unified and Burnt Aqua work the same -- if everything migrates to it, then everything will work the same. Given the state of the situation, that's a big deal now.
Aqua Unified -- or more specifically the buttons Apple seems to be trying to push in Mail.app -- is a whole other ball of wax, but if everything works the same, it's a start, which will hopefully end with Carbon and Cocoa apps defaulting to the same behavior when you click on one while its in the background.
Regarding some of my... enthusiasm... yesterday. Well, my hatred for brushed metal is strong. It's still fairly rational, as I hate brushed metal for the right reasons, but it's certainly become symbolic of really stupid design decisions in my head (as have pinstripes) and just seeing it makes my eyes crawl (just like pinstripes).
Over time, iTunes has probably been the biggest pimp of brushed metal to shareware authors and such throwing together their little beasts. Sure, there are things like iMovie and iPhoto, but iTunes has actually been around for quite awhile now. I can only hope it means more things are going to start migrating to the Aqua Unified interface.
Seeing it go away in a lynchpin app -- which basically perpetuated all these other shareware guys wanting to hop on board -- was akin to a really, really satisfying bowel movement. I know, there go the female readers, but there are few metaphors that properly convey purging crap in a satisfying manner that aren't just as icky.
Burnt Aqua isn't ideal, but it's hopefully some movement, and I'll get similar pleasure if and when we see everything move to Aqua Unified. If everything starts getting those horrid Mail.app icons, I shall rail, but for just one day I'd like to see it as a hopeful sign of improvement instead of more weirdness, even though those in the other camp have just as high a chance of being right.
Comments (39)
Posted by: Carl at September 8, 2005 05:12 AM
He's talkin' bout "click through." Search daringfireball for it, yo.
Posted by: Carl at September 8, 2005 05:15 AM
Hmm, if, in theory, 10.5 is when Apple moves to resolution independence, does that mean that they're going to get all their UI ducks in a row first? I'd like to believe the answer will be yes, but…
Here's to a Cocoa Finder by 2015!
Posted by: Rachel Kneff at September 8, 2005 05:40 AM
Geesh Michael, I can't trust you at all anymore. :) Easy to tell when you lie about having to go to sleep when you blog. You're going to implode... Go sleep!
Rach
Posted by: Rosyna at September 8, 2005 05:46 AM
AC, I imagine that he's talking about the fact Carbon and Cocoa apps differ greatly when the application is in the BG. For example, in a Cocoa application you can hold the command key down on the keyboard to manipulate any widget in the background window and the window won't be brought forward. The finder doesn't need the command key to be held down to start a drag. However, if you open the Finder preferences window and click "General" "Label" or something with the command key held down (or not) then the finder will be brought frontmost.
Both iTunes and the Finder *correctly* disable buttons that can't be used when the applications are in the BG. No cocoa application does that. All widgets are drawn as active.
I filed a bug on the former, and it was marked as "behaves correctly". Sigh. I'll behave you!
Carl, a Cocoa finder wouldn't solve ANYTHING and would cause a huge amount of new bugs to be introduced into the Finder. It'd also make login much slower.
Posted by: Carl at September 8, 2005 06:11 AM
You're probably right, but Apple is still best to have some kind of submarine Finder 2.0 project working on rewriting the Finder from scratch just in case. If the current Finder's problems could all be tweaked away, they would have been by now. Now, the submarine project may not be able to deliver anything with the semi-functionality of today's Finder in a reasonable timespan, but at least putting a smallish team of people on the project would let them rethink a lot of the interface decisions that need to be rethought.
Posted by: Jake Tracey at September 8, 2005 07:27 AM
I can't really see how this new style is progress. It just looks shitty and is completely inconsistent. At least brushed metal looks decent.
Posted by: PCheese at September 8, 2005 08:07 AM
Strangely enough, you have to restart if you download the iTunes package from Apple's website, but not when using Software Update. However, the QuickTime update requires a restart, so most users will restart regardless.
Posted by: Rosyna at September 8, 2005 08:22 AM
You don't *have* to restart after applying this update. Just force quit whatever.
Posted by: Small Paul at September 8, 2005 08:33 AM
"iTunes has probably been the biggest pimp of brushed metal to shareware authors and such throwing together their little beasts"
It was also the app for which brushed metal was invented, wasn't it? I remember the days. iTunes 1.0, OS 9.2.2. Ah, Summer 2001. I was a little behind the times, I will admit.
Posted by: Steve Streza at September 8, 2005 08:38 AM
Am I the only one who _wasn't_ asked to restart when downloading from Apple's site?
Posted by: vastheman at September 8, 2005 09:08 AM
You don't have to restart after installing iTunes 5 if you already have an up-to-date iTunes phone driver and iPod driver. You only have to restart if either or both of these components is updated along with iTunes.
Posted by: hyperizer at September 8, 2005 09:36 AM
Brushed metal was introduced with QuickTime 4, I believe.
Posted by: ajit at September 8, 2005 09:55 AM
Brushed metal is one of my favorite things about my mac. I think all ye brushed metal-haters are working on laptops or some old consumer machines.
When you work on a G5, it is nice to see the OS compliment that. THAT feels unified. I will not move away from Panther till they give me an option of themes. And if I still have this G5 then I will select the brushed metal theme.
Brushed metal looks bad when it is done by amateurs. And I have seen some horrible ones - especially where there is massive amounts of brushed metal on the sides or on the top. The buttons look weird if you don't create a border around them. But again, this is the work of amateurs.
Another reason I love brushed metal is that it gives texture to something that begs it. All you old-school computer geeks like it to be simple grey but some of us use this to do more than computer related stuff, we create on it. With texture there is more of sense that the computer has an organic being.
Unified this and that are good but the feeling someone has for their computer is even more important. They will be willing to go through the hoops to learn something because the the feel/ vibe sucks them in.
Posted by: memeallme at September 8, 2005 11:48 AM
I like the way the mail app and the new iTunes look. But Apple needs to be consistent.
Posted by: critic at large at September 8, 2005 12:06 PM
juvenile bathroom metaphor... undercuts your entire argument... shows a lack of language skills, metaphorical ability... and you added a disclaimer that was patronizing and sexist to boot!
Grow up!
Posted by: at September 8, 2005 12:57 PM
Why is eveyone fussing about texture consistancy?
Consistancy is important in the choise and placement of controls. I think with the exception of Mail, OSX has been consistant. Who cares that there are about 4 or 5 different surface textures in use, the apps still are predictable enough in behaviour. Personally I like the variations. It's helpfull when you have a lot of open windows.
I like Brushed Metal (looks better on LCDs though), I liked Paper (the old Aqua) although the pinstripes were a little over the top, and now I like Plastic (the new iTunes).
Also, iTunes 4 looked really bad on Windows. iTunes 5 looks much better with the unified tool bar.
Posted by: at September 8, 2005 01:01 PM
critic at large, you need to loosen your bowels a bit!
Posted by: Ross Boucher at September 8, 2005 01:27 PM
I have to say, it isn't really the new "gradient" / plastic / non-brushed metal window theme that irks me about iTunes. Regardless of whether or not you like metal, or whether or not you like this new texture, there are general usability issues with iTunes. It's the squareness of the window, the poor (and inconsistent) placement of the volume bar, the silliness of the 1px tollerant source list separator or the 2px i-bar (when every other program's i-bar is 1px), and general disregard for most of the human interface guidelines.
In fact, the separator alone is reason enough to be annoyed. Not only is it accessible on exactly 2px (and arguably neither of them is on the actual line...), it can't be collapsed fully, Meaning whether or not you want it you have to have the source list visible. Of course, if you could collapse it, you would never get it back, since the 1px line would just blend into the side of the window. Not to mention the fact that the color of the 1px separator doesn't match the outline of the window, or the color of the mail separator, or any other color in the program really...
Posted by: Anonymous Coward at September 8, 2005 01:34 PM
What makes this iTunes 5, a major release? For the engineers, I have no doubt that it was the major effort it takes to redo all the UI widgets just to make Steve happy.
On the plus side, it probably renders much faster now that it doesn't have to draw the metal texture.
Posted by: chadseld at September 8, 2005 02:19 PM
"I like Brushed Metal (looks better on LCDs though)..."
Oh God. I read that as 'looks better on LSD though'. I need a vacation.
Posted by: Sam at September 8, 2005 03:40 PM
"Also, iTunes 4 looked really bad on Windows. iTunes 5 looks much better with the unified tool bar."
You sir, are smoking something. I think iTunes 5 looks so horrible on Windows that it must be a bug that will be fixed in a patch. The entire left third of the title bar is now undraggable, which I assume was added so that when it's maximized it looks like a Macintosh on a single-monitor system... repeat after me, Apple: Windows does not use a single menu bar at the top of the screen. Deal with it if you're going to write Windows apps.
Also, I have to assume "critic" was being facetious, since they were criticizing someone's language skills in a post that contained not a single capitalization or properly punctuated statement.
Posted by: Lachlan at September 8, 2005 04:43 PM
iTunes 5.0 looks dull.
"Dullify the GUI" was Steve's instruction to the team, "Make it look like a generic PC application - I don't care what you have to do ..."
"Brushed metal?! Forget it - too difficult to achieve a consistent look across both platforms ... and rounded corners, well that could indicate too much personality - we have to fit into a business world ... Make it look square and uninspiring ..."
Thanks team! Now I can pretend I'm using Windows XP on my Mac.
Posted by: Wes McGee at September 8, 2005 05:39 PM
Don't you worry... Women can be just as disgusting if you give them the chance.
(Actually sat in a class during a group project where the ladies turned the discussion in this direction...)
Posted by: Diggory Laycock at September 8, 2005 06:03 PM
I like John Gruber's take on it (if you'll excuse the pun)
Posted by: mindflayer at September 8, 2005 06:29 PM
Posted by: Rachel Kneff at September 8, 2005 05:40 AM Geesh Michael, I can't trust you at all anymore. :) Easy to tell when you lie about having to go to sleep when you blog. You're going to implode... Go sleep!
Heh - best comment here! To think, he stayed up late to make poo jokes....
Check out sagefire.org. Some people like the Iridium look, some don't, some report bugs. Someone check it out and let us all know. I LIKE the new iTunes 5 look - refined, subtle, and not in your face. I also liked metal, but it was way too inconsistent.
Posted by: tink at September 8, 2005 07:10 PM
I think that the finder issue will be fixed when Apple ends up buying Path Finder when version 4 comes out. ;-)
Posted by: Barry Brown at September 8, 2005 07:27 PM
Unifying UI guidelines can never be simple applyed, if that was the case then Network TV would never change its livery. Indeed, in the simple five-app environment most users live in, diferentiation isn't that bad (UI=app, Colour=Network). Consistency should trump peculuraity, except when taste says otherwise. For taste, I go to those who sell millions, no minority websites. Behaviorual anomolies shock users far less than skins.
Posted by: Miller at September 8, 2005 07:43 PM
Unifying UI guidelines can never be simple applyed, if that was the case then Network TV would never change its livery. Indeed, in the simple five-app environment most users live in, diferentiation isn't that bad (UI=app, Colour=Network).
UI=app, Colour=Network doesn't make sense, you are trying to make up a pattern from what they are doing... There is no pattern. Otherwise how do you explain Garage Band or SoundTrack or the other apps. "Tool."
Posted by: dirkstoop at September 8, 2005 07:57 PM
It simply boils down to marketing with the new iTunes look.
proof:
check this first.
then check this
The new iTunes look is as sharp and edgy as the new mini iPod, they both are a lot flatter and sharper than any previous iPod or iTunes version.
This new, edgy look of iTunes is made up by the marketing department, solely to make people think of the new mini iPod every single time they use iTunes.
I'm hoping your vision of a consistent interface will turn out to be true in some way or another db, but this weird look and feel move's just about the marketing.
Posted by: Nick at September 8, 2005 10:08 PM
"Instead of just learning how Aqua apps behaved, you basically split your head into two classes of how apps worked -- brushed metal and Aqua. And... brushed metal apps that would quit instead of closing when you clicked the red button, and ones that didn't, and..."
Incorrect. The one and only functional difference between Aqua and metal is that you can drag the window from any empty area (a feature I'd like to see in standard Aqua apps).
Posted by: Doxxic at September 9, 2005 08:51 AM
I like Apple's inter-app inconsistency, at least as long as it is only visual. It's good to have a very clear distinction between iTunes, Garageband, Safari etc when you use expose.
All I wanted to say...
Posted by: Nevyn at September 9, 2005 11:12 AM
I seriously despise clickthrough, but even worse than having clickthrough is indeed to only have clickthrough in *some* apps. ( i e Cocoa apps but not Carbon apps)
Posted by: el dusto at September 9, 2005 12:51 PM
itunes 5? not ugly, but not... attractive. seems faster on my g3/400, though, than the last iteration.
fast is good.
Posted by: Dan at September 9, 2005 08:10 PM
Actually I have noticed a difference in behavior between the Unified Aqua and the Burnt Aqua but it's only noticeable on a dual-monitor setup.
On the primary monitor we have the task bar or whatever it's called at the top acting as a stopper for windows keeping you from moving them above the top of the screen. On a second monitor the task bar is non-existant and so nothinbg stops the window from going off screen.
iTunes 5 will stop at the top of the second monitor and it won't let you move it off screen. It's the only application that I have used to do so. Very very nice.
Perhaps there are others that do the same. Don't know, I'm still rather new to this mac thing.
Posted by: Sandy at September 10, 2005 03:24 PM
I work on dual monitors so you got me curious.
Firefox 1.0.6 (which I downloaded recently and love)
Acrobat Reader 6.0
Filemaker Pro 7.0v3
Word 10.1.0
Excel 10.1.0
Photoshop 7.0
iTunes 4.9
All of these stop the window at the top of the second monitor.
The only app I've found that doesn't is Mail 2.0.2, which stops at your cursor location instead.
Posted by: superfunkomatic at September 10, 2005 04:22 PM
this is shades of OS 8.5,9. obviously there is some new interface direction change afoot, i'm sure it'll be together by the time 10.5 is created. if this means less redraw wierdness and some consistency, or at least move to consistency so be it.
this certainly isn't beautiful by apple's previous standards. i really liked the beauty of 10.1 aqua, but things seem to run quicker as they've slimmed down the GUI. my 2 cents.
Posted by: Gibbons Burke at September 11, 2005 02:30 PM
It occurred to me that "Graydient" might be a more descriptive description of the new look in iTunes. "Burnt Aqua" conveys something more brown or amber.
I didn't mind brushed metal; I like Graydient. I am one who believes that Jobs believes that the look of the UI will always change, for the sake of change itself. Stare at a particular UI look too long and it burns into the retina and looks tired and stale. Humans crave the new, and some, as we have seen even seem to enjoy an opportunity to gripe about it. All of it Feeds The Machine™.
Posted by: Wes McGee at September 23, 2005 11:55 PM
You sir, are smoking something. I think iTunes 5 looks so horrible on Windows that it must be a bug that will be fixed in a patch. The entire left third of the title bar is now undraggable, which I assume was added so that when it's maximized it looks like a Macintosh on a single-monitor system... repeat after me, Apple: Windows does not use a single menu bar at the top of the screen. Deal with it if you're going to write Windows apps.
You know, here's something cute: In Windows, maximize the iTunes window, then slam your mouse cursor to the top.
Guess what you can't do?
No Apple, it doesn't work. You have that nice four or five pixels of no-clicky at the top. Like the dude said above, give it up. When you're on Windows, menus don't live at the top.








"...but if everything works the same, it's a start, which will hopefully end with Carbon and Cocoa apps defaulting to the same behavior when you click on one while its in the background.
What the fuck are you talking about?