RM: Of mice and men
Hey DB, in light of your comments on the Mighty Mouse (and my own realization that I already do take my left finger off the button when right-clicking), I'd be interested in knowing what mouse you yourself recommend.I've never been one of those RAZR PINGSLADE 560000 mousers, but the notion of a mouse with a beefed up scrollwheel and a couple extra well-designed buttons for expose/dashboard (is that even possible without built-in support from Apple?) is kind of neat.
To answer your last question, yes it's possible to use the buttons on other mice without built-in support, although Apple actually does have built-in support providing you just want to use the buttons for Expose or Dashboard.
As far as the first question...
Questions like this always make me a bit uncomfortable, because it's the type of thing where the situation and context is going to make a big difference, and without knowing them I'm setting myself up for giving a lousy recommendation.
Microsoft's Intellimouse Explorer is a good example... I loved them when they came out, but have encountered a lot of people who didn't care for them, most often because they had smaller hands and it's a larger mouse. If you have big paws as I do, a larger mouse is a godsend. So, while I have a few favorites, and can tell you what I use, do keep in mind that this is a case where there's little substitute for actually stopping at a store somewhere and moving a few models around to see what feels right...
All of the below are optical, have at least five-buttons, and are wired. They also use very good scanning tech, so there's no jitter when you move the cursor around fast and such, and all are a little less than $35.
Logitech MX500 is an old favorite, and will probably be hard to pick up soon. These things are reliable as hell, and feel good.
Not too heavy, not too light, and has a sort of "squat" shape which the palm of my hand likes to rest on.
I just dig it.
Logitech MX510 is what I use on my primary computer, because I was so happy with the MX500 and it was on sale at the time. Zero complaints, it's solid across the board.
I have the blue version, which isn't garish in real life, although it would be nice if it was a nice shiny black. I was a little worried I wouldn't care for the surface on the sides designed to give you a decent grip even if your hands are a little... moist... but it's grown on me.
Microsoft's IntelliMouse Explorer with Tilt-Wheel is one of my favs, and I keep it in my Powerbook bag so I always have something decent to mouse with.
I always loved the original Explorer and was interested in the tilt wheel deal. It's done right by me, but some people really don't like how it scrolls, saying it feels "mushy". There's something to it, I'm just kind of indifferent about it. They've always been a little on the large side, too.
Probably the most worrisome aspect of this model is that people have claimed the left button can go bad over its life, but it hasn't happened on mine so far. The old ones did have a problem where there wasn't proper clearance for the mouse cable and over time it would wear through it, so it's not out of the realm of possibility.
Out of all of them, the safest bet is probably one of the Logitech's. I have my eye on their MX1000 line, which uses some crazy laser thing to improve scanning rates, but am told it doesn't play well with the Mac. For what it's worth, when I'm not using a mouse that has tilt-wheel, I find I miss it, but it's nowhere near how aggravating it is to use a mouse without a scroll wheel.
The question was about mice, but mousepads are so heavily overlooked in the whole mousing experience, both in surfaces and surface area. Slicker surfaces give you faster movement, while a slightly coarser surface can give you more precision. When it comes to surface area, there is nothing more annoying than trying to mouse about on a big screen and hitting the edge of the mousepad.
Surface area is generally my big peeve, as so many pads are so incredibly small -- you can pay $40 for some mousepad with a some crazy gel-pad ergonomic wrist-wrest that barely lets you move the mouse around. Out of all of them, I've fallen in love with the sUrface 1030, by Func Industries.
The mousepad itself consists of a grooved rubber shell which the mousepad surface sits down into. The surface is double-sided, with one side being much smoother than the other, so you can flip it over depending on whether what you're doing demands speed or accuracy. Comes with a mouse clip to keep your cord out out of the way, but I really just care about the surface, the surface area, and its low profile.
They're a little under $20, and the one I use is 10" x 8", and 1/8" thick, but they make another series which is a little more expensive that goes up to 17" wide. They don't kid around. While they're primarily designed for gamers they kick ass for more normal tasks -- I couldn't recommend them highly enough.
Comments (19)
Posted by: David Magda at September 3, 2005 08:53 AM
Speaking of mouse pads: I have a gel thing for resting my wrists on my keyboard, but am unable to find a smaller one for mice. There are mousepads that have the pad and the wrist rest, but I want just the gel rest. I can live without it, but such a thing would be nice.
Posted by: Derik at September 3, 2005 09:23 AM
The MX1000 works just great on OS X. In order to get the application level customization I crave (not afforded by Logitech's software), I use USB Overdrive. Other than that, it's perfect.
Also looking very cool is Logitech's new G5 gaming mouse.
Posted by: Diggory Laycock at September 3, 2005 09:32 AM
Don't like wireless mice DB? I'm curious - any specific reasons?
I use a Logitech MX 700 which i like, but need a powered base for charging and wireless reception.
http://www.devhardware.com/c/a/Input-Devices/Logitech-MX-700-Cordless-Optical-Mouse/
I think ideally i'd have a bluetooth mouse that could be charged by plugging it into a USB port (at the back - to make it feel like a wired mouse.)
Like this:
http://www.iogear.com/main.php?loc=product&Item=GME225B
I'm worried about how good bt mice are though.... might be a bit jittery.
...
Well - call me an impulse buyer, but I've just ordered one while posting. I guess I'll soon find out...
Posted by: Carson Christian at September 3, 2005 09:49 AM
I use an MX1000 and it plays very nice, I'd be curious what problems in specific supposedly exist? In regards to mouse pads, I use a XTrac Ripper XL (www.xtracpads.com). It's freakin huge and doubles as a nice pad to chill your arm on while lazy surfing. It's so big in fact, that I keep two wireless mice on it (one for the G5 and one for the Dell) and there is still plenty of room to roam around.
Posted by: Alan Schmitt at September 3, 2005 10:18 AM
One device that has not been mentioned is thumb trackpads. I've been using a Logitech Trackman Wheel, and I find it great: the trackpad has wonderful precision, it's easy on the wrists, and there is no need to worry about pads or lack of space (for instance in a train or in a plane).
The only bad thing: only 3 buttons. But I've not found the need for more yet.
Posted by: matonmacs at September 3, 2005 10:31 AM
Using a MX 1000 right now on my PB and loving it. The logitech software worked okay on my last mac, but I haven't even gotten around to installing it on my new one that I'm using now. I recommend it wholeheartedly with or without the software.
Also for Carson, I would recommend Synergy if you want to get rid of one of those mice. I use it between a Dell and my PB and it works great.
Posted by: Kevin Ballard at September 3, 2005 10:44 AM
I have that exact MX510 that you have pictured there (i.e. that color), and I love it. It's a great mouse, and I also really like the way it looks.
And as for mousepad, I don't use one. Instead I have a huge-ass tablet that my dad gave me (since he got a better one) - I don't have any graphics skills at all, so I never use the tablet (it's not even plugged in), but it works great as a mousepad. Especially since half of it sticks off my desk, and so it acts like a desk extension.
Posted by: Razer User at September 3, 2005 11:16 AM
As a non-gamer, it is funny that I use a Razer Viper as a mouse. I bought it after I finally gave up wearing out 3 Intellimouse Explorers over ~3 years. In each case the left switch failed.
I also wanted a mouse that tracked faster than the MS mouse, but I hate choices that Logitech made for the feel of their mouse. They aren't comfortable for me.
I like the way the Viper feels and so far the switches don't feel like the MS ones did after the same amount of time. What I like:
- Big rubbery buttons
- Rubbery edges for gripping
- Tracking speed
I am sure that I'm not a typical "RAZR PINGSLADE 560000" user, but it has worked well for me.
Posted by: ad at September 3, 2005 12:00 PM
all those mice are right-handed! at least apple's ones are symmetrical. As is this Phillipe Starck MS mouse I'm using, which is very nice.
Posted by: Twist at September 3, 2005 01:26 PM
I love my Kensington Optical Elite but their software was crap so I had to get USB Overdrive (which I was used to using back in the OS 9 days with some generic mouse that I got for like $5 at a computer swap meet). I haven't tested their software in nearly a year though so there is a chance that it has gotten better.
Posted by: stinksoup at September 3, 2005 01:44 PM
Ahem, sorry for bringing the tone down, but:
http://www.bustymousepads.com/
Posted by: Evan Schoenberg at September 3, 2005 02:20 PM
I've bought 3 MX700s and 2 MX900s so far. That's two desktops, my pre-bluetooth powerbook, my current bluetooth-enabled powerbook, and my brother's bluetooth-enabled powerbook. I
I use USB Overdrive for full control over all them thar buttons.
Posted by: drunkenbatman at September 3, 2005 03:22 PM
I use an MX1000 and it plays very nice, I'd be curious what problems in specific supposedly exist?
I've heard stories of it literally causing some Mac models not to boot. *shivers* Something about their firmware doing things IOKit doesn't care for -- this came from a friend's experience in a Mac lab, but I'd have to hunt him down. It's anecdotal.
Don't like wireless mice DB? I'm curious - any specific reasons?
I've always had a psychological aversion to having to make sure I had batteries on hand to use my mouse. They've gotten to a point now where it's months between changings and some have little indicators telling you the charge, but the ones I have now have lasted forever and given me no reason to upgrade.
Also, note that the mice I use are $35, sometimes much less depending on where you get them -- I'm big on value. The wireless tech is coming down so fast that I'm sure my next one will probably be wireless, but I basically just saying what I use.
all those mice are right-handed! at least apple's ones are symmetrical. As is this Phillipe Starck MS mouse I'm using, which is very nice.
Hrm, I get what you're saying, and they do have some left handed mice out there, however symmetrical doesn't equal ergonomic. Plus, while I have nothing against someone who is left-handed, I'm not, which means its not going to affect what I use. :)
Posted by: 2.STL-DX.B11 at September 3, 2005 04:29 PM
I love my MX700 and have an old EverGlide Giganta which is a rather odd but excellent mat IMHO.
Posted by: Chris McElligott at September 4, 2005 07:35 AM
I'm using a really old Intellimouse with my Powerbook, its not the best thing but it does the job. I would however love to upgrade to a MX-1000, they seem freakishly perfect. But constantly having a dongle plugged into my Powerbook, I don't know about that.
Posted by: vastheman at September 4, 2005 08:03 AM
Wacom tablet all the way! Wacom Graphire A6 size for general mouse replacement stuff, and Wacom Intuos A5 size for graphics. It's so much easier on your hands than a mouse - there's really no comparison.
With a pen tablet, you can instantly and accurately land the pointer anywhere. You just can't do that with a mouse, because you have pull it all the way through the space in between.
Sure, it's no good for FPS games. No point even trying. On the other hand, it's great for games that are intended to be played with a lightgun, particularly as lightguns don't work on LCD monitors.
On the Graphire, I have the tip mapped to left click, the forward barrel button mapped to right click, and the backward barrel button mapped to toggle Inkwell write anywhere.
Posted by: cameron aka desk003 at September 5, 2005 02:18 AM
Posted by: Evan Schoenberg at September 3, 2005 02:20 PM
I've bought 3 MX700s and 2 MX900s so far. That's two desktops, my pre-bluetooth powerbook, my current bluetooth-enabled powerbook, and my brother's bluetooth-enabled powerbook.
I use USB Overdrive for full control over all them thar buttons.
Evan, Per your conformation, I bought a MX 900 bluetooth mouse on ebay just now for $61 w/ shipping. Not bad when they retail for $100. Anyway, I've gotten very tired of my Apple BT Mouse, it's just too small for my hand. Plus, makes it hurt. I have a MX 700 Wireless on my PC, and love it. The MX 900 and MX 700 seem to be exactly alike, aside from the wireless standard. Thanks for telling me about the MX 900, it's not on Logitech's site anymore.
Posted by: Sean at September 5, 2005 10:21 PM
I use an MX1000 and it works fine. There are no OSX drivers on the CD, but you can download it from the Logitech site. I don't like Logitechs drivers though, so I just use USB Overdrive X. The MX1000 has 10 buttons (i think), can be charged so you never have to buy batteries, and is very responsive. It makes the OSX experience so much better imo.









I have a mouserug - www.mouserug.co.uk. I saw it in a museum shop in Dublin and knew i had to get it :D It's really good, although looking at it now, more than two years after i got it, it probably needs a wash!