10.4.2 Baby steps
Awhile ago, there were rumors going around that the 10.4.2 was supposed to fix "all known bugs" in 10.4, which, depending on who you asked was:
- An 'intentional leak' by Apple marketing to hopefully stave off the reputation for bugginess that Mac OS X is starting to get, with the idea being that if people have the impression it'll all be fixed soon they may hold onto some bitching. We'll call this The Great Bug Fix Hope theory.
- Something that was really going around Apple; That yes, there were some problems with 10.4 and 10.4.1, but 10.4.2 was going to be their big push towards something really working, in the vein that Microsoft's Service Pack 2 was their big push towards security.
You may have noticed that I haven't really talked about 10.4 a lot on the site, or as an email put it, I've been "noticeably quiet." The truth is, I was just having a terrible amount of problems with it, but wanted to have my ducks in a row, and I kept thinking they'd be ironed out in a point release...
Things have come to a bit of a head, and we're going to be talking about bugs here shortly. Frequently, because quality control -- or at the level Apple considers acceptable -- is becoming unacceptable. It probably became unacceptable awhile ago, but allowances are made because, well, it's Apple (I do this too) and stuff will happen... And one isolated incident does not a pervasive pattern make. However, incident after incident in release after release does a pervasive pattern make.
However, before I go lifting up the plate in the sink to expose the roaches to sunlight, in the interest of fairness, today we'll mention two things 10.4.2 did fix for me. Obviously there are more things, and I'm being somewhat arbitrary, but luckily there are 365 days in a year and I'm saving a good week for Spotlight.
For the record, I've been running 10.4 with a stock install, and without my beloved ShapeShifter to remove the pinstripes, because with an OS this buggy I just didn't want it in as a factor.
I used to play chess as a kid, and then didn't really ever again. Awhile ago, I was exposed to playing "Speed Team Chess", which was notable for a few reasons:
- The rules are nuts; Basically if you take a piece from your opponent, you can hand it to your teammate and he can drop it into his board against his opponent.
- I was obliterated in a ruthless and terrible fashion. I'd like to blame the fact that I had had a lot to drink by the time we started, and was playing with people who actually knew like, opening moves and such, but I really can't. I was 0wned.
OS X has one built-in game that I'm aware of that isn't a Dashboard widget, Chess.app, which aside from being almost arrogant (Come on, OS X users are beneath Solitaire or Mine Sweeper?) is pretty serviceable...

It's rendered in OpenGL, so it's 3d, which is only really notable because its not very attractive (very jagged) and it may play a role in the bugs I was seeing. It has a few fun variations included, like Crazyhouse, which lets you drop captured pieces onto the board anywhere you please.
Lots of fun, and I like to drop in and play for ten minutes when I'm taking a break. It's not only calming, but it might keep me from getting quite so embarrassed the next time I'm asked to sit down and bash kings.
Unfortunately, something weird kept going on whenever I would switch to an app and then switch back to OS X; the window of the chess app would go completely wonky, and it could only be fixed by 'shaking' or minimizing and then un-minimizing the window.Well, it wouldn't be every time I'd switch back to Chess.app, but just about, and while it wasn't only Chess.app that did this sort of thing, it was the most constant. It was so frequent, after awhile I just started collecting my own gallery of Chess.app wonkiness, because it was almost pretty.
Here are a few, from before I realized how strange my behavior was and stopped myself...
I was very pleased to see this has gone away for me in 10.4.2, and I can now play chess without it going completely wonky. Of course, there are still issues; launching Chess.app seems to be a good way to cause the Dock to die, and somehow revert to some old state minus whatever URLs or bookmarks or apps I've dragged to it, but it's a baby-step.
Come to think of it, the Dock will die whenever it feels like it now, so perhaps linking this to launching Chess.app isn't fair; it got hella fragile in Tiger, but that's another post.
Man, I was having flashbacks to the pre-10.3 days with this one, and I suppose sound and Mac OS X have always had a rocky history. The Core Audio APIs took forever to stabilize, and I feel for any PowerMac G5 owners trying to make good use of VLC. I've one-offed this in previous posts, but I basically went round and round with audio before 10.3, when things finally worked.
I have these Grado Labs SR60 headphones I use all the time, but also a pair of Harman Kardon Sound Sticks going out over USB I switch back and forth on throughout the day.My usage pattern caused a problem, because up till part-way through 10.2, I was taking a drastic risk by plugging in my headphones; I basically had a 50% chance of having the system throw up a kernel panic.
This would pop up in between releases, and was a nightmare, and any time I put the Powerbook to sleep I'd have to reconnect the speakers to the Sound Sticks anyways because OS X wouldn't be able to find them again. While all this was going on, there was the nasty problem in 10.1.2 and 10.2 for Powerbooks where sound would just stop working altogether, because the OS would put the sound system to sleep if it wouldn't being used, and couldn't wake it up again.
If it was able to wake it up again, you'd sit there waiting for a few seconds while it awoke -- watching a beachball -- until it finally blurged it up. A guy named Jonathan Feinberg ended up coding an app that did nothing but 'tickle' the sound system every 20 seconds to keep it from going to sleep, and I was extremely grateful.
So audio and I go way back on Mac OS X, and if it seems like I'm always trying to get you to turn down the blue pill, it's just because I've had these experiences. Apple could go on about the improved stability, but all I had to do was plug in my headphones and there was the red pill. Luckily, in 10.3, all of this went away for me and audio finally started to be sane.
Since the development period for 10.4 was extended, it stayed sane for quite awhile until 10.4 shipped. Then all my music sounded really, really weird. It turned out every single time I changed the audio output, OS X would decide I was partially deaf in one ear and tried to compensate by shifting the balance all over the map:
I use Rogue Amoeba's SoundSource to switch outputs so I don't have to go through the system prefs, so I disabled it and tried it manually to make sure it wasn't the source of the screw.
It was so weird, I could literally just click between internal (headphones) and the Sound Sticks and watch the balance go all over the place, and it was a difference place every time. If I set it to the right setting, it would stick, until I changed the output again, and then I tried it on other machines with different audio outputs... Ayep.
I normally switch back and forth 5 to 6 times a day or more, so every single time I was having to go into the sound prefs and set the balance correctly. Over time, I just stopped using the speakers altogether, because I knew switching meant going and opening up system preferences, and I was sick of it.
Admittedly, due to my past history, I'm a little sensitive to audio going wonky on OS X, so this pissed me off more than it may others, and I'm really sensitive when an OS is causing me to change my usage patterns to make up for its short comings now. The fact that it wasn't fixed in 10.4.1 was freaking me out even more, as I'd already gone a whole version with wonky sound and so didn't want to go there again.
I'm pleased to report 10.4.2 did fix my audio oddity, so that's two positive things before I start laying into what hasn't been fixed.
Comments (43)
Posted by: flynn at July 27, 2005 01:59 AM
IIRC the balance shifting annoyance was caused by a third party application. I can't seem to remember which one, but it might have been a previous version of Skype.
Posted by: Cortland Klein at July 27, 2005 02:01 AM
You think you have it bad? Try this:
When I move messages in Mail.app from one mailbox to another, often the messages will fail to copy and the origionals are deleted.
I've now lost half my archive of email due to this bug in Mail.app.
Yes, the Dock keeps dying on me too.
Posted by: Kevin Ballard at July 27, 2005 02:22 AM
I'm surprised you're having so many issues. I hammer at OS X all the time and it's been remarkably stable for me.
Posted by: Matthew at July 27, 2005 02:53 AM
10.4 was a difficult UG for me too. Spotlight (for it's continuous corrupted databases and perpetual indexing) and Safari (for it's constant random crashes) are the 2 of the worst offenders. The most frustrating has to be the file navigation window (when you go to open... or save as... from the app's File menu). Once I select said menu item (usually open...) I get the SBBOD for about 40-60 seconds before the file dialogue opens. This happens across all apps and even does it on a virgin clean install. I too think that Apple's QC has slipped a fair way recently. Maybe this is just what happens as companies grow. We've seen it elsewhere so I suppose Apple is not immune to it. Shame.
Posted by: Mark at July 27, 2005 02:55 AM
What's the problem with VLC your referring to? I haven't had any problems on Tiger or Panther?
Posted by: Rob at July 27, 2005 03:09 AM
I'm quite surprised by your comments. I entered the world of Mac about 3 months ago with a Mac Mini, and upgraded to 10.4 as soon as it was released.
I haven't really had any problems with OS X at all in that time, except that 10.1 broke something to do with sychronisation between the audio and video when capturing via Firewire (which I think is now fixed).
I use quite a lot of apps on my Mac Mini and hammer it quite a lot (I'm a software developer) and it's never crashed or done anything strange.
Posted by: Malte at July 27, 2005 03:17 AM
Haven't upgraded to 10.4 yet. Still waiting for the VPN-problems (Checkpoint SecuRemote) to be solved..
Posted by: Bob Ippolito at July 27, 2005 03:19 AM
The G5 + VLC problem he's referring to is probably the fact that if the stream is AC3, it will try and go out the digital output (whether or not anything is plugged in there), but it will do it all incorrectly and totally bonk your audio subsystem until something resets it properly.
I reported this as a bug a while ago (10.3 sometime), but Apple didn't acknowledge it as a bug, and pointed fingers at VLC. Granted, VLC's code is some of the worst code I've ever seen, so I believe Apple here... but VLC shouldn't be able to bonk the audio subsystem like that even after it has quit.
Posted by: Tobias Weber at July 27, 2005 03:30 AM
From February 2004 (don't remember which version) until one of the later Panther updates my white iBook used to randomly change balance every few reboots. I had a AppleScript to center it. Also dialing the built-in modem would reliably set the volume to about 10%. All of this with just the built-in speakers...
Posted by: Twist at July 27, 2005 03:31 AM
I will defend DBM's use of the word "wonky" I have used it for years. No idea where I picked it up from though.
I think USB based audio is just jacked up in 10.4 no matter if it is input or output. My iBook started acting all wonky when I unplugged my USB microphone headset (which is both input and output of course) after recording the covercast for "The Gaps In The Filter" and I ultimately had to do the old force restart keyboard combo (which thankfully you can still do on an iBook since it still has a power button on the keyboard, don't get me started on how annoying it is to have to unplug a damn PowerMac or eMac when it locks up and won't respond to the reset button which is of course missing completely on an eMac but holding the power button Apple hid in the back of the machine is supposed to have the same effect, but doesn't).
Posted by: Nevyn at July 27, 2005 04:40 AM
Heh, you had a problem with Mail 2.0? Waay, welcome to the club. Rui Carmo over at the.taoofmac.com usually calls it Mail 0.2, and I agree with him... I don't get how that POS got through testing. Mail 1.x was great.
Woo! @ fixing the sound balance bug, that has been freaking me out...
I had a pair of USB Apple Pro Speakers once. When connecting them, there'd be a 50/50 chance of kernel panic. The cable on those was a mess though, I always attributed the kp to some earthing error or similar weirdities.
Posted by: mardoen at July 27, 2005 05:41 AM
Yeah I have a sound balance problem that sounds similar; though it usually only seems to change the balance when I use the volume buttons on my powerbook.
It's been getting better with 10.4.2, but it still happens.
I reported this in the Apple support forum, and there's only one user who has answered with a similar problem. So may I redirect everybody who shares the "sound balance" issue to this thread, maybe having more people reproduce it will help clearing the problem: http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?50@377.OPyGaNbrWpd.1@.68af7799 (I have no idea if these are permalinks; the thread is in the "Using Mac OS X Tiger" folder and is called "Volume adjustment via keyboard can change stereo position").
And no, I never used Skype.
Posted by: Darkshadow at July 27, 2005 08:27 AM
Hmm, I've been using "wonky" for a long while, myself. Hell, I figured it was a common word, I've heard other people using it too. Who's asking, and what sort of sheltered lives have they been living?
Can't say I've had any problems with 10.4.x yet, DB. I don't play Chess.app (I suck so horribly bad at chess it'd probably take 10 seconds for the computer to win), so I couldn't say if I had that problem. I definitely haven't had any of the other issues you've brought up. Heh, and how's this for you, I *upgraded* to Tiger. :P
Question on the redraw glitches - have you done any of those changes to enable Quartz 2D Extreme or disable it from doing the new "Automatic Beam Synchronization" ? Doing the first could probably give you issues, since it's not really finished, but I've heard a great deal about OpenGL issues while the beam synchronization is turned on. (You can see those in the Quartz Debug program, though that's only installed if you installed the devoloper stuff.)
Posted by: Darkshadow at July 27, 2005 08:33 AM
Addendum to my last post:
the "Automatic Beam Synchronization" is turned on by default. You have to explicitly turn it off. You have to do it on every boot and keep Quartz Debug running as well. I've heard you can force quit it and then you don't have to keep doing that, but I haven't messed with it so I can't say firsthand.
Also, I just remembered I have been having an issue with 10.4. Every once in a while, when I try to force quit something, the freakin' force quit dialog will get stuck up. It fails, for whatever reason, to force quit the app I want to force quit, then the Force Quit dialog just sits there, with no way to get it to go away. Even if I open up Activity Monitor and force quit the app in question (or use the terminal), the Force Quit dialog just stays there. And it floats over every single window. Also seems to make the Apple Menu stop working, so logging out is a pain. I finally figured out the keyboard shortcut Option-Shift-Command-Q will work (that immediately logs you out without asking for confirmation, so don't try it if you don't want to log it out.)
So, I *do* have one pain in the butt thing, after all. Luckily, I don't try to force quit apps that often, and it doesn't always happen when I do.
Posted by: Jeremy Weathers at July 27, 2005 09:55 AM
In 10.4.2, BBEdit becomes very slow over the course of about a day (and Mailsmith too, although at a slower pace). Quitting the program and re-launching usually restores responsiveness, but once I had to reboot.
I haven't tested yet to see if my favorite Finder disc burning bug is still in 10.4.2.
Posted by: Peter da Silva at July 27, 2005 09:59 AM
I'm so glad I've resisted the temptation to upgrade, and stuck with 10.3.9.
Posted by: ledge at July 27, 2005 10:14 AM
Wow, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who ISN'T having problems with Tiger.
It seems like at least half the folks I know who have upgraded are having at least one "major" issue. I, on the other hand, have never had OS X do anything but run solid for me as long as I've used it. (Late 10.2 days).
Tiger, for me, is the best yet.
And I'm really what you'd call a power-user. I hammer on it constantly. I game on it, write apps, do java work for work, generally leave a dozen or more apps running at a time, etc. I definitely don't treat OS X as the fragile thing I treat windows as when I have to use that. So far OS X has stood up to everything I've thrown at it, with the exception of a flaky USB card-reader driver, which I can hardly blame OS X for.
Posted by: podperson at July 27, 2005 10:19 AM
Tiger certainly has some annoying glitches, but we live in a world where Windows XP is considered a relatively stable OS, so I don't think Apple will do too badly by comparison for now.
Posted by: Troy at July 27, 2005 10:21 AM
I am also with 10.3.9 on my PBG4 12" for the moment.
The only annoying thing I battle with is a problem I get when I unplug the dvi plug for the external monitor. Sometimes the mouse pointer goes invisible. To fix it I need to reboot or replug the dvi plug and have another attempt. I have noticed that if I wiggle the mouse pointer vigorously when I unplug the dvi plug, it is much less likely to disappear - but maybe I have just gone loopy :)
Posted by: J.Stone at July 27, 2005 10:26 AM
I had video problems on a new G5 similar to what you were experiencing with Chess. My problem was actually occurring in Preview and turned out to be caused by a faulty video card. Apple sent me a replacement and the problem has not reoccurred. Maybe you should check into that if your Mac is relatively new.
Posted by: Ankalon at July 27, 2005 10:36 AM
I had the sound bug too. It was... weird. I thought I was doing it, you know, guilt of a switcher.
Posted by: Jason Terhorst at July 27, 2005 10:51 AM
On the VLC thing, my G5, only when playing DVDs, wouldn't play the sound. I would then go to the sound menu, and try to see what's wrong, and VLC would go wonky, and a moment later, we would see a kernel panic. Total, complete, kernel panic. "Oh, great. Thanks, VLC. Stinkin garbage," I would say, usually because I would be working on something else at the time.
Posted by: Skippy at July 27, 2005 12:58 PM
I've had 10.4.2 installed on my work machine for about two weeks and have noticed some new intermittent fun with focus problems. I'll click on one program in my Dock to bring it to the front and hit a key combo like cmd-s, etc. and the application directly behind responds instead of the active app. f'ing annoying.
Posted by: Mitz Pettel at July 27, 2005 01:05 PM
I'm still getting the "wonky" look occasionally when fast-user-switching under 10.4.2. Looks like a problem in the OpenGL stack.
Posted by: scotfl at July 27, 2005 01:36 PM
I have to join in with the surprised people here. I upgraded to 10.4 about four or five days after the release and I've had no problems with the system. I did have an issue with VLC, but the next point release from the VideoLAN team fixed that.
On the other hand, I always do the major number upgrades by clean install and I don't run any third party system modifications aside from SideTrack and I'm on a PowerBook G4..
Posted by: jay at July 27, 2005 01:48 PM
On the subject of the term "wonky": some folks may not be familiar with it, as it is UK in origin. See the following English-to-American dictionary for more info:
http://www.clear-lake.com/Lakewood/Dictionary.htm. Fans of UK TV or blogs by English authors (http://www.neilgaiman.com/) should be familiar with the term.
db, have you tried playing Fisher Random Chess (also called Chess 960)? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer_random_chess) Basically, it's a form of chess where opening pieces are arranged in a random order. It basically eliminates the advantage of the player who has memorized opening moves and forces players to focus more on strategy and less on memorized decision trees.
jay
Posted by: Darth Sidious at July 27, 2005 02:03 PM
People not facing issues with Mac OS X 10.4 is not a big surprise since some issues are not reproducible or happens in specific cases.
In 10.4.2, I know at least 1 critical security flaw, 1 serious regression impacting other applications, 1 bug impacting a big company application, the known Airport issues, etc...
99% of Mac OS X Users are not going to be impacted by the security flaw.
96% of users are not going to be impacted by the regression or not noticed it.
99% of users are not going to be impacted by the bug
90% of users are not going to be impacted by the Airport issues (they don't have airport, the bugs do not appear on their system, etc...).
So basically we have a security flaw, a critical issue with a big company application, a regression, etc... But who is going to be impacted by all of them: 0% of users.
For instance, I'm seeing 2 of them on my system but not the other ones.
This explains why Mac OS X 10.4 can still look flawless with all the bugs inside it.
Posted by: Gareth Potter at July 27, 2005 03:55 PM
I must say, 10.4 has been a bit flaky - something of a shock after the later releases of 10.3, which were really very solid. I've been running it since launch day (I was second or third into the Regent Street shop in London, and installed it in-shop), and it's not yet something that I think Apple could accurately call 'Insanely Great'.
Until 10.4.2, Dashboard really sucked for me. My iMac (G3 400MHz) and iBook (G3 800MHz) both (only) have 384MB RAM, and so post-upgrade (reinstall), I've seen a lot more swapping than I'd like. Since 10.4.2, Dashboard just sucks. But I have faith that it'll get better.
The Safari 1.3 thing really, really pissed me off in 10.3, and I'm just an end user. Web sites not working, display issues, general crappiness - I hoped and prayed that it would be sorted but instead now I just use Camino. Bloody ridiculous, really - the kind of crap I'd expect from a Linux distro, not from Apple.
Oh, and there's a cosmetic issue that's bugging me with the menu bar too, although I'm not quite sure how you reproduce it - it manifests itself as the display of menu bars of applications that have already been closed - happens a lot on this iMac given its (lack of) processing power. It's minor, but the fact that it's there (it wasn't in 10.3) is rather un-Appley. I'd definitely second the suggestion that QA has gone downhill in recent months.
As to audio balance, I will only say that I used - occasionally, randomly - to get audio balance related issues on 10.3, and I think they were on my iMac, but I couldn't say for sure. (10.4 seems to have fixed that issue.)
I make both these bitches work hard (as any pimp should), and under 10.3, all was well. I just hope we don't have to wait until 10.4.9 for a stable operating system with Spotlight, Dashboard, etc.
(Oh, and as a Brit, I feel I should add that I have used 'wonky' for years, and I got it from my mother - I think. I only use it in the sense of something that is misaligned, e.g. "That glorious poster of Steve Jobs you have on your wall is a little wonky.")
Posted by: Other_Matt at July 27, 2005 07:18 PM
I've had a couple of issues with 10.4, but I'm a relatively light user. I was using it more heavily at my last job, but my current one really doesn't require a laptop, so I'm rather sad that I almost don't use it anymore.
Can't reproduce the Chess issue under 10.4.2 on my PowerBook 1.5Ghz. Don't use Spotlight, you'll get Quicksilver from me when you pry it from my cold dead hands. The thing that has been quirky for me since going to 10.4 has been launching X11. Frequently an Xterm will open, then immediately close. Sometimes the next one I open will do the same, but more often than not, that's as far as it goes. Other than that, VLC seems to work fine for me, as does WolfET and WarCraft III, does get a little warm tho :-)
Sometimes it is a little slow to wake from sleep, but then so are a lot of people I know :-p
Posted by: Francisco Tolmasky at July 28, 2005 03:40 AM
I think Apple is making some definite inroads in some key areas as well. Microsoft may have opened up a blog to IE development, but Apple has opened up the entire core of Safari. For the first time something I actually do can go into an Apple product, and for the first time you can get into a chat room and talk with real Apple devs about problems and help them fix it. I think this is an incredible step.
Posted by: andrew atkinson at July 28, 2005 07:40 AM
um... the best thing is the fact that the advertising picks up on 'Mac OS 10.4' and tries to sell me something that you (and all the comments above) is doing a pretty good job of convincing me not to buy. Its a shame computers just don't have a shame of humor, they'd like that one.
As for the soundsticks/10.2 issue - a friend of mine just accepted it after a while and pretended he was brian wilson.
As for spotlight, everything seems to indicate that its not as quick as quicksilver, which is bad when a third party app outperforms against system code. Maybe QS can't read my emails, but you know, if I don't know if I'm looking for an email or an doc, then I probably don't won't know why I was looking for the information in the first place by the time spotlight spews it up.
Posted by: icedtrip at July 28, 2005 12:53 PM
Well, I know everyone has had there problems with 10.4, but there are several items that are still affecting me after 10.4.2 update.
The sound issue I have had since going to Tiger is hissing and popping under heavy load. I have never had this problem prior to Tiger, but it has become rather annoying at times. (Also, I love my soundsticks. No, not the best sound out there, but when I bought them, I was focused on the appearance.)
However, the main problem I have had with Tiger has to do with network connectivity. I have had slow network response (DNS responses) ever since I went to Tiger and was only able to fix it by specifying DNS entries, which I should not have to do using DHCP (OK, I'm lazy, but I still shouldn't have to do it).
As for other quirks, I can live with them, but these are my top 2 that still have yet to go away.
Note: I always do a fresh install with a 10.x upgrade. Computer is a 533DP G4 with 1.5GB RAM.
Posted by: Sandy McMurray at July 28, 2005 04:51 PM
Whenever I experience Tiger weirdness, I restart in Single User mode and run AppleJack.
No, this should not be necessary, but it's a handy cure-all for just about every problem I've experienced (so far) with Tiger.
http://applejack.sourceforge.net/
Posted by: nimrod at July 30, 2005 03:48 AM
ugh.. OS X hasn't had pinstripes since 10.2! What the hell are you talking about?
Posted by: meh at July 30, 2005 03:55 AM
you've definitely got some crap installed, I bet you did an upgrade install to install Tiger, didn't you? Dumbass.
Posted by: Dell D00d at July 30, 2005 04:32 AM
other than the balance thing, no issues here, 10.4.1
Darkshadow: activity monitor: look for 'SystemUIServer'
Quit that. The menu bar, and anything it controls (like the force quit dialog) will restart cleanly.
Posted by: Mike at July 30, 2005 07:57 AM
I too have been severely disappointed with Tiger, but to be honest most of my issues have been solved with 10.4.2. My main gripe with 10.4 and 10.4.1 was that they still felt like betas - the widget management was appalling, and the Spotlight implementation was so frustrating (switching from the magnifying glass drop down to the full Spotlight window resulted in it restarting the search from scratch, whereas in 10.4.2 it actually remembers its search from seconds before). There were other things too, like turning my iBook into a furnace, random internet disconnects, Tiger being slower than Panther, absurd memory leaks from Dashboard, and so on, but again, 10.4.2 has fixed these for me.
I can understand now why they wanted to rush 10.4 out of the door due to the Intel announcement at WWDC, but I still don't think it's on to release substandard software to the general public.
Here's my own ranty blog entry about it from last week:
http://www.mikeserieys.co.uk/blog/archives/geek_stuff/000145.html
Posted by: WelshDog at July 31, 2005 11:26 AM
So Tiger is doing pretty well for me. However, I did an ERASE and install and then immediately updated to 10.4.2
So far the 12" rev a 867 mhz Powerbook is doing just fine. The imac DV SE also seems fine, but it did have some kind of episode the other night that I had to interurpt. The drive wnet into some sort of read/write frenzy (I could see in Activity Monitor). I think it started while using Spotlight. I let it go for a while but the drive was making so much noise and the machine was unusable I eventually shut it down. Seemingly no ill effects.
My wife likes being able to view pdf's directly in Safari. I like the new look for Mail and some of the new features. Networking between the two machines works, it didn't work well when I was still using my Beige G3 with OS9. They wouldn't stay connected. Spotlight is "ok" but the well complained about issue of it starting the search while you are still typing is totally dumb, er I mean wonky.
I use wonky, but I also like to substitute "wompy jawed" every now and then. Keeps people on their toes.
Posted by: boolean at August 2, 2005 01:33 PM
wow, lookit all the comments!
I've only had a little trouble with 10.4 having come from a very stable 10.3 environment on 2 machines (plus 2 more in the house that belong to my girlfriend). I use SoundSource to switch between internal audio on my PowerMac to my external RME Fireface audio device without problem. I have noticed balance issues previously, but they seem to have disappeared for me as well.
Jason Terhorst's comment about lost minimize buttons is something I've seen once before on my PowerBook. I correctly guessed it was a Dock issue and killed it from a terminal and that seemed to fix the problem. Sort of. The Dock has been a source of frustration for me in Tiger as well, though I have managed an uptime of 24 days which ain't bad.
I dunno. I'm hoping 10.4.3 will be the salve for my Tiger boo boos that makes me (and the Drunken Batman) happy.
Posted by: david at October 20, 2005 07:21 PM
i'm using 10.4.2 and i still have the same sound balance bug..
Posted by: AppleServiceGuy8172 at October 26, 2005 10:41 AM
Working at a High School with a one-to-one program, i've had a couple of students come in with the sound balance changing randomly bug. One student reported that it usually happens when plugging in or unplugging headphones. They all run 10.4.2
Posted by: Jacob at February 1, 2006 03:07 PM
The sound balance thing still happens with 10.4.4 for me. The cause is supposedly using the keyboard to change volume while the system is under heavy load: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25466










What are the things that aren't working still for you? My G5 was having issues with a few things here and there, but those are mostly resolved. The only thing I can think of that isn't fixed is the VLC problems, but I don't use VLC, so oh well.
There's another strange bug that I have, but I don't know of anyone else that has it, and I'm not sure about the cause. ... Sometimes, Finder won't let me minimize its windows - ordinary windows that could usually minimize, but the button is greyed out, and I think Photoshop is either causing it, or just making it more regular. (It seems to have stopped with CS2, but 10.4.2 didn't fix it, before I got CS2)