Jim Kartes responds on the code in VX30
Publish.com has a juicy piece up about 'Deconstructing Maui X-Stream', with quotes from Jim Kartes that you're going to have to read to believe.
The Cow says Publish.com may be having some issues with its servers, with the site being on and offline sporadically...Kartes went on to attack the company's critics. "Doesn't this all boil down to open-source people thinking they have the right to break laws by violating patent rights, but when developers use legal code, open-source people think they have the right to make their own laws. I've never quite understood this concept of open source and exactly where it came from," he said.
I'm really not sure what to make of most of it. Although I was asked to respond to a few things and did, I'll admit my jaw is still a little slack from comments like the above. Quotes like the following make it unclear to me whether they have actually read the post:
"A report from the Maui X-Stream's engineers forwarded to eWEEK.com claimed that "all the testing code was removed two months ago, [and] so that's why when people are downloading our software trying to find any evidence, they go back to decompiling the 2004 version, because they can't find any possible strings in our existing software."
If you look at the 'Verify for yourself, with mirrors' section, it's made clear that while the 2004 version is there, all of the instructions are geared towards working with the 'packed' 2005 version and how to get around it to view the evidence. Admittedly, the post is lengthy and could kill an afternoon, but one would think they'd have an interest and would make the time.
Posted by drunkenbatmanMay 12, 2005, at 11:09 PM
Comments (18)
Posted by: KnurdMan at May 12, 2005 11:26 PM
The last line, a quote from Kartes, is my favorite part of the piece... "At first Arben said he wanted [the rights to CherryOS], but now has changed his mind. I therefore have buried it permanently."
Gee.. I can't wait until Arben wants the rights to VX30 and Kartes has to burry it as well. :-)
Posted by: at May 12, 2005 11:53 PM
I love the new web Krates weaves for Cherry OS at the end, Arben left the company and took the project with hin but refused to take the rights, so Jim buries it permently. Nice, Really Nice.
Kal
Posted by: Troy at May 13, 2005 12:15 AM
Publish.com don't seem to be responding - maybe they didn't realise that this might attract alot of interest :)
Posted by: eggsnatcher at May 13, 2005 12:22 AM
It's timing out for me too does anyone have a PDF?
Posted by: at May 13, 2005 12:27 AM
All of eweek.com is down?!?!?!?!
Posted by: paul at May 13, 2005 01:10 AM
You know, I think the basic tactic of denial goes a real long way. You may want to look into some sort of third party hashing (i know the USPS offers it: https://www.uspsepm.com/crm/faq/faqs_general.html) to help prove that you are in fact using the image downloaded from their site.
Posted by: aepis at May 13, 2005 01:12 AM
Baghdad Jim. "There is no code in VX30! They can find in old builds but never in new! It is not there!"
Posted by: mothertalqueen at May 13, 2005 09:19 AM
This is like stepping on shit, thinking you'll get over it , just to find yourself under an elephants sphincter.
What a waste.
Posted by: Ben Donley at May 13, 2005 10:11 AM
If Chewbacca is from Endor...
Posted by: Torsten at May 13, 2005 10:31 AM
Sounds like a confession to me. When the code was in 'test versions' and you could download these 'testversions' Maui XStream has distributed the code without licence. Or was it only a 'test distribution'?
Posted by: Sithgunner at May 13, 2005 10:55 AM
What Jim Kartes said in the first quote, just sounds exactly a back fire to him...
What is it with the company that starts making their own laws and trying to hide the evidence and forget about GPL and start selling someone else's code, make me misunderstand such concept and exactly where it came from...
Posted by: fudo at May 14, 2005 01:47 PM
"I've never quite understood this concept of open source..." and there you have it. He just doesn't get it. I only wish I could afford to fund a lawyer to "explain" it to him. Really, don't these guys sound just like spammers?
I'll add my kudos to those you've already received on this. Great job.
Posted by: lightningrod220 at May 14, 2005 04:51 PM
My question about this topic is this - when we have awesome sites like the wiki at www.cocoadev.com, where people actually post code to help each other out, is it okay to encorporate said code into one's app, or would that be a legal problem? Are professionals using this information, or are they trying to do it their own way? And, if the people on www.cocoadev.com found that their code was being used for commercial products, would they stop submitting code, for fear of being ripped off?
Posted by: Rory at May 15, 2005 04:33 AM
lightningrod220: If someone offers you example code without stating that it has a licence of any kind or a copyright notice it becomes public domain so you are free to use it as you want. It's often nice to give a shout out to people who've been a big help in the about box though.
Posted by: Nevyn at May 15, 2005 08:50 AM
"Kill an afternoon"? Heck, you killed my night's sleep, I was up from something like 1 am to 5 am reading that stuff... Now my Sunday is completely ruined :P (not that it usually isn't...)
Posted by: Rus at May 15, 2005 01:59 PM
This is the pattern of con men - to make their critics seem less credible by becoming the victim or portraying that they are on the noble path.
I've seen it many times concerning Jack Campbell of MacMice ...
Posted by: Hamish at May 16, 2005 08:26 PM
Perhaps this has been brought up in the earlier comments, but you have made yourself the poster child for why Apple's handling of suing online journalists over "Trade Secrets" is so dangerous. I'm surprised MXS has not claimed you 'induced' their employees to give confidential information regarding their products, which would be laughable.
WOW. Jim and Arben must be fighting. :-) What is this patent nonsense? I thought their patents were pending.