Deja Drunken
If you take a look over at marcasuzaa.com, you might have to do a double take. This isn't a big deal at all, not the first time, or something I really care about: it's both amusing and flattering. Hopefully whoever does it actually gets around to making their archives look decent.
However, if you click and take a look at the screenshot below, and then at the site I referenced again, things get a little bit less amusing.
The thing that should stick out is that they 'Herve' has the pic I put up for Halloween, yet in the screenshot I took yesterday, it's the usual white russian. If you look in the code, things get even more unamusing: basically 'Herve' is referencing the images directly in the code, so that when his site loads, it loads the images from here, and not there.
That's kind of uncool, and I'm sure Herve doesn't really mean any harm by it, so I'll give my fellow drunkers a few days to fill him in as to why it's not a kosher thing before I redirect all calls from his site to the humpty dinosaur to the right.
This is starting to become more and more of a problem, primarily from Xanga more than anyone else although LiveJournal users do their share. But Xanga users seem to be in their own special class when it comes to this, and I haven't really investigated as to why, perhaps there is zero photo storage with their service or something.
Now, this doesn't seem to be that big of a deal, hey? And at the end of the day it's not that big of a deal, it's just a combination of the principle of the thing and that it all adds up. One person linking one image in a post or a forum isn't that bad; someone linking a 1.5 meg image as the background of their site is a little more unamusing.
Either way, I've gotten way too much use out of the humpty dinosaur lately, even though I let 90% of it slide because it's not a big deal and I don't really care. And that's saying something, as I don't really have many GIFs on the site. Where possible I use PNGs, unless the bandwidth savings will be large by not using them.
Why? I'm not sure. Bandwidth is pretty cheap in one form or another, even if it means snagging something from another service, so I'd guess much of this would have to come down to convenience after doing a google search for an image.
I really wish people would do more to enforce why this isn't cool though, as I'd have to imagine I'm not the only one seeing this, and I'd have to imagine that sites with many more images get hit a lot harder. I think we've really made headway in making websites understand why disallowing deep-linking is a bad idea in general, so no reason to give them fodder to think twice.
Oh, and Herve, no hard feelings... keep the design, there's nothing special here as far as that goes and if you like it, cool. But don't direct-link the images, it's just not kosher.
Posted by drunkenbatmanOctober 30, 2004, at 10:56 PM
Comments (14)
Posted by: T at October 30, 2004 11:22 PM
Funniest part... you aren't mentioned on his favorite links page... and I just stole that dinosaur. :-) Like the new Halloween pic... very funny... is it you? But looking forward to having the white russian back... it was "comforting".
Posted by: Aaron at October 30, 2004 11:37 PM
I liked the picture of the screaming (growling?)kid. What's up with that?
Posted by: The guy who was stupid enough to appreciate one's design at October 31, 2004 04:53 AM
This is just being ridiculous. I installed 3 days ago a brand new CMS and I thought that that design would be a good starting point to branch my own. If it had been online for 2 months, I think yeah you could have felt annoyed. But come on!
Instead of putting it as my "favorites" as suggested, now I will definitely not. And please do copyright your design... I was fool enough to believe most MIT guys kind of share this 'open', 'free', 'please look at my sources at do some nice stuff and share it back' spirit.
Posted by: Matt at October 31, 2004 05:00 AM
Hehe, He stole it down to the alt tags...: '"alt="the bloody cow icon i always get asked about"' LOL busted
Posted by: Zachary Wascheski at October 31, 2004 05:29 AM
"I was fool enough to believe most MIT guys kind of share this 'open', 'free', 'please look at my sources at do some nice stuff and share it back' spirit"
The images are gone, so I am going by the screenshot. Herve, from your comments you "do not have a leg to stand on" since he said..
This isn't a big deal at all, not the first time, or something I really care about: it's both amusing and flattering. Hopefully whoever does it actually gets around to making their archives look decent..... Oh, and Herve, no hard feelings... keep the design, there's nothing special here as far as that goes and if you like it, cool. But don't direct-link the images, it's just not kosher.
That seems in the spirit of what you say... take it and improve it (I would not have said that even!!!).
He seems to object to hot linking the images from his site and not yours and used you as an (amusing!) example. That is stealing bandwidth or "use the icebox but don't drink my beer". Some people do not understand the difference.
I thought it was funny and in good fun. Herve what is wrong with you?
Posted by: at October 31, 2004 06:31 AM
Image linking is indeed a big problem, but it can be solved! Use this in you apache conf (virtualhost section):
SetEnvIf Referer "^$" allowdrunks
SetEnvIfNoCase Referer "^http://www\.drunkenblog\.com" allowdrunks
SetEnvIfNoCase Referer "^http://127\.0\.0\.1" allowdrunks
<FilesMatch "\.(gif|jpe?g|GIF|JPE?G|png|PNG)$">
order allow,deny
allow from env=allowdrunks
</FilesMatch>
Posted by: Mark at October 31, 2004 06:50 AM
You should have just hot linked the images from his site on the front of yours. I bet Herve would understand your point then... oh, never mind, I see he is French.
Posted by: Herve at October 31, 2004 08:08 AM
I received the following e-mail: "did you copy your design from http://www.drunkenblog.com/ ? that is just not cool. ". I replied and apologised by e-mail. Then I found out the blog entry. My error was to react immediately without reading the full text: all this mess because I happened to pick some nice design sounded just too much. Therefore, yes I did miss the point and my post was silly. Sorry for that.
Anyway, Mark, I am afraid I am missing the point again. What do you mean by "oh, never mind, I see he is French". Would you mind detailing your thought? I am sure you've lots of very smart things to say.
Posted by: Izzy at October 31, 2004 08:42 AM
I am getting much laughter from the purple humpty dinosaur (hippo?). Reminds me of Artie the dinosaur from Nine Months.
...and as long as you stop the direct-linking Herve, you should be cool with Drunken. No normal person here wants to start one of those oh so cool internet fights.
Posted by: TomServo at October 31, 2004 11:48 AM
A while back I had this avatar on a forum that I posted on that was pretty cool looking. Well, one day I'm going through my referrer logs and I notice a shitload of hits to that image coming from some forum about smoking pot.
I checked it out and sure enough some punk kid was using my avatar directly linked to my server.
I changed it to a giant, steaming pile of poo and he stopped pretty quickly.
Posted by: Chris Karr at October 31, 2004 01:11 PM
I had something similar happen. I was hosting an image of a penguin being "slapped" by another into water. It was probably 150 KB in size, so all the forum folks using it as an avatar were using a ton of my bandwidth. However, rather than gripe to anyone about it, I swapped the image with the one at http://www.xsunderground.com/thechilde/. I think it was effective. Much more fun than just deleting it...
Posted by: James at November 1, 2004 03:53 PM
That reminds me of this one guy who was hot linking to an image I shot for an eBay auction. This guy bought the spoiler, then went onto a vw forum and posted a thread trying to sell it. After a days and tons of hits, I replaced the image of the spoiler with tubgirl. I got quite a good laugh out of that.
Moral of the story is: don't hot link.
Posted by: losof at November 4, 2004 03:11 PM
14? 15? comments on this? just as much as on this http://www.drunkenblog.com/drunkenblog-archives/000322.html article? have you tried to post something like this http://members.tripod.com/earthdude1/headless_chicken/mike4.jpg just to see what happens? i want that serious stuff back, it was the right thing to do!
Flattering and annoying. You should always have a copyright on your design, dude.