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 Posted by: Mindflayer at May 12, 2004 02:36 AM

Makes me sick to my stomach. Comparatively, this far, far exceeds the crimes of the US troops.

 Posted by: Rocky at May 12, 2004 11:15 AM

There was no excuse for what those animals did to our American brother. As for the alleged abuse of Iraqi soldiers in prison... where was the outcry from the world when Jessica Lynch was captured. Look what they did to her. Where are the Islamic leaders who need to step forward to condem this kind of shit. These are scare tactics done before. Daniel Perl and also a Russian soldier killed by Chechen rebels in the name of Islam that also made the same fate. They do all of this in the name of religion. They hide their hate behind Islam. All of you leaders of the Islamic world need to do something about these extremist. Your silence is part of the problem. It shows the free world that you are cowards and that you have this hate also deep inside.

 Posted by: Marilyn Johnson at May 12, 2004 11:40 AM

There's a big difference between humiliation and murder. We are such a guilt-ridden nation that we're apologizing to the whole world for a few ill-trained and ill-advised guards. Remember, too, that the bad treatment happened to people who would behead all of us, given the chance. When the prison photos are shown in the media, I suggest a split screen showing our citizens jumping from the World Trade Center. That was the reason for all this, remember?

 Posted by: Fred at May 12, 2004 04:51 PM

This is just terrible. It's terrible this man was killed and it's terrible that he was even in Iraq in the first place. We need to concentrate on getting America fiscally strong again for everyone so people aren't looking for work in war zones. We need to stop escalating this shit too. If we spent all those billions on the USA instead of on an unjustified invasion we'd be better off and we wouldn't have lost our people in some foreign land for nothing.

 Posted by: mow at May 12, 2004 05:01 PM

So the harrassment that the Iraq prisoner's were subjected too, and there was no torture shown in any of the photos just childish posing, gets the huge up roar and the beheading will be down played as the response of the poor terrorist's I suspect. And the arab world will glorify our losses as the great response to that paltry harrassment? That is not right.

 Posted by: andrew nimmo at May 12, 2004 09:55 PM

i can't believe what a bunch of hypcrites you americans (generally - i do know one decent american) are.

your government seem to think that they have a 'god-given' right or duty to "protect" the world. where did this mandate come from? if it were a stance built on principles, rather than just a thinly-disguised attempt to create more trade, than it would possibly be acceptable to the rest of the world. although it would be nice if america ever actually listened to the UN, like it is legally obliged to.

i've heard quotes today like "he was killed like an animal" - well I'm sorry, but don't you execute more people in the states than in any other western country??? in fact, i'm pretty sure that only china is worse, and that's saying something! at least the poor guy wasn't kept on death row for years of mental torture. and how the f*** else do you expect the iraqi extremists to respond? write a letter to the washington post??? see if they can get on judge judy???

and i can't believe that one of your commenters has brought money into this - "We need to concentrate on getting America fiscally strong again for everyone so people aren't looking for work in war zones". I know America is built on the principle that money is everything, but don't forget that it's actually mostly america's continued funding and unjustifiable support for Israel that has pissed of islamic countries over the years. Bush sends billions to israel : israel ethnically cleanse, assassinate and murder palestinians. bush refuses to condemn them properly and gives them more money!

Abu Ghraib prison - what a lovely place. And now it appears that the same sort of thing may have been happening in afghanistan too.

and then we can discuss camp x-ray. isn't it odd that of all 5 of the british nationals that were detained (for 'detained' see 'illegally imprisoned' and 'in breach of human rights') absolutely none of them were charged when they returned to the uk??? The UK police had access to the same material as your guys, and yet they let them go - because they had been held for TWO YEARS without charge. If I was one of those men, I'd make it my lifes work to hunt down

** Paragraph snipped by drunkenbatman **

america always manages to surprise the rest of the world somehow, but really, do you realise how much we laugh at you incompetence at times?

 Posted by: drunkenbatman at May 13, 2004 06:35 PM

Woa, I had to edit the last comment. Andrew (82.41.216.132 for the CIA), I don't mind you feeling the way you do, but you crossed a line there as far as my blog is concerned and what I'm willing to allow to be on it.

That's really the first time I've had to edit something out of someone's comments, and if you look through most of them I'm pretty damn liberal about that sort of thing especially when they're aimed at myself. That line is pretty far out there, but it's there, so please don't make me feel as though I have to do it again in the future.

Peace, db

 Posted by: Ur Friendly Neighbourhood Spiderman at May 13, 2004 08:28 PM

First of all id just like to say wat a load of shit it was that andrew nimmo wrote! Wat kinda fucked up person ru, these fuckers have been terrorising people across the world for decades, i take it u dnt remember 9/11, the bali bombings, saddam hussein killing all those people wiv gas attacks, osama bin laden threatning to destroy the western world?! Its coz of fuckin idiots like u that these people are allowed to continue their reign of terror, the society we live in today is ruined by people like you, all this shit about lettin imigrants come into our country, scrounge of our state, its bollocks, they shud all go back where they belong, i live in a town surrounded by kosovans, yeah sure some of them are in need of help, but then there are the majority of them that just come here to drain our country dry! What are we guna do next, give Saddam Hussein a bloody british passport and give him a nice little flat until he can find himself a job! WANKER!
As for that porr american, yes he was killed like an animal, how dare u say that america is worse, they put people on death row that deserve it, Killers, Rapists etc. How can they justify the killing of that poor man, what because we tied up iraqi prisoners and made them do stupid poses, thats pethetic, and so are you, grow up and see the real world, remember the first gulf war? American pilots and prisoners dragged through the streets with broken noses, missing teeth and god knows wat other injuries. Now in this gulf war there are more finds of americans being beheaded and tourtured, and u want us to stand by and let them do this, FUCK NO, we're guna kill the lot of them! Yes there will be innocents killed, thats war, but if we dont continue until we rid the planet of these people, we will just end up wiv a gulf war3! Now on to ur stupid comments about the prisoner of war camps, the reason those five british (if thats wat u can call them) people were released without charge is because of ignorant people like you, this society is to concerned about being politaclly correct, we're too soft, we dont want to cause upset in the so called ethnic minority groups so we let them off!

Were we right to start this war, YES, have we executed it right so far, NO, will we continue until we've won, YES! This time we will win and this time it will be final, we will lose men and women, this is inevitable, but as a British man i belive that good will always prosper!

 Posted by: andrew nimmo at May 14, 2004 09:07 AM

so u edited my comment? well that's just dandy.

i may have been a little strong in my language, but as far as I and the vast majority of INTELLIGENT young europeans are concerned, Bush is the most dangerous man ever elected in the US. He has no idea what's actually happening in the rest of the world - something shared by most of america. You don't appear to have such a thing over there as independent, unbiased news coverage - something which us in europe grow very frustrated at. That's not a dig at american individuals - it's just a result of years of right-wing politics (and with that i mean republican &, unfortunately, democrats) and tv news channels desperate for ratings.

And 'Spiderman', did you get to school much? Your little neo-nazi rant there had all the hall-marks of an exceptionally well educated individual I must say.

So you have Kosovans living nearby? Lucky you. I'm sure that they are the reason you don't have the job that you so obviously deserve. I'm sure that if you had been living in a country ravaged by war that you'd be only to happy to stay there and put up with whatever happened to you.

What method of appeal do those on death row have when they are (eventually) executed??? Even if just one of those people was actually innocent, how can any country justify the death penalty?

As I stated in my previous comment, the US - and the UK - have to accept a large portion of blame for the hostillity in the middle east. At least britain distances itself from Israel to some extent, but the US continues it's unwavering support. And why is that? Why, because of the large and well-off american jewish community of course. What a coincidence that they happen to have lots of money. If Israel would stop what they're doing - i.e. murdering innocent palestinians, taking their land forcefully, denying them their human rights - then perhaps the Islamic world, with some time, would not be so hostile towards them and their supporters (i.e.USA).

Saddam Hussein was indeed a particularly cruel and evil man, who deserves to be locked up for the rest of his days, but let's not tar every iraqi with the same brush.

A word of advice Spiderman: Learn something.

p.s. thanks for the IP address bit drunkenbatman. Nice to know you live in such a nanny-state.

 Posted by: andrew nimmo at May 14, 2004 09:31 AM

btw, have a look at this link - an article from the toronto star about america's hypocrisy regarding terrorists. interesting stuff.

http://www.chomsky.info/articles/20040314.htm

 Posted by: Distilla Truant at May 19, 2004 05:31 AM

The killing of nick Berg was totally uncalled for. Sure the American soldiers had no right to do that to those Iraqi PRISONERS! Why were they in prison in the first place? Obviously they had done something wrong to end up there. And no I'm not saying that the deserved the humiliation because they had done something wrong. But Nick Berg was still young and had his whole life ahead of him. He was also innocent.

One photograph showed an OLD naked male prisoner. He was old, condemned of a crime and practically at the end of his life. Nick Berg was not. No one deserves to have their head cut off except the people who have done this to this poor man.

These men make me ashamed of calling myself a human being, if this is what kind of things humans do. Its sickening. Tell me, people who support the killing of Nick, would you rather be humiliated or have your head severed from the rest of your body while you scream for your life?

Did you know that poor man could still feel every second of pain as his head was being hacked off? You dont completely die until all the blood drains from your brain. An experiment was conducted by a rather crazy scientist and he had some people, all volunteers, who consented to have their heads cut off. The scientist told them to blink if they could feel the pain while their head had been cut off and after. Every single one of them blinked.

Which of you Iraqi supporters would have the stomach to go through that much pain?

 Posted by: Andrew Nimmo at May 19, 2004 05:46 PM

oh for f***s sake. have I even once said that I thought that nick berg's beheading was right?

what I was getting at was that americans are completely ignorant to what's going on in 'the rest of the world' (TM) unless one of their lot is done badly by.

don't start on the "well, they must have done something wrong" line either. Did you read my comment about the british guantanamo bay prisoners? Not one of them was held when they returned to britain, and yet america had seen fit to detain them illegally for 2 years, without charge and without the backing of international law. (you americans do actually know the meaning of 'international law' don't you???)

what proof have the americans have of the crimes committed by these iraqi prisoners? i dare say that some of them have committed crimes, but i'd bet my last penny that there are just as many who haven't.

and what's this that's just hit the news today? American's killing up to 40 iraqi civilians at a wedding celebration??? Surely not. Surely they were elite Iraqi troops, merely posing as wedding guests? "oh, but there was a gunfight nearby" claim the yankee tossers. well, that was "nearby", not in amongst the civilians.

but pwesident bush is getting cold feet now of course. he's been told that if they pull out soon he can still win the election. even 'though he never won the first one. land of the free my ass.

and one year in jail and a 'dishonourable discharge' from the army for the american twat who took those pictures. and all because he bought the court by going along with the army line. land of justice my ass.

i have to say though, that i wouldn't have the stomach to go through that much pain. But then again, I wouldn't be stupid enough to have gone there in the first place.

 Posted by: Sherman at May 20, 2004 07:33 PM

Interesting that Andrew would accuse us of a nanny-state..

Seeing that he lives in the UK (82-41-216-132.cable.ubr13.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) and they have deployed cameras at every intersection and plan on keeping expanding, I don't think you have anything to speak about..

At least our government trusts us to defend our own homes and lives with the weapons of our choosing. I recently read about a British farmer who is going to prison for shooting and killing several bandits who broke into his home.. his crime? Shooting them with an 'illegal' weapon. I suppose he should have rang the local bobby to come and help him while he is killed and robbed, eh?

 Posted by: andrew nimmo at May 21, 2004 01:57 PM

why do you keep one pointing out my IP address people? Is Mr Bush going to be paying me a visit soon? Oh dear god no, i'm absolutely shitting myself. I haven't even hired a baby sitter yet...

On the subject of the US government "trusting" you enough to have guns at home - in the UK last night there was a TV prog all about stoopid american TV shows, one of which was an infomercial asking people to use guns carefully! Ten kids a day get 'deadified' (as Bush would say) every day in the US through gunshot wounds.

Figures from the uk government show that there are TWO HUNDRED AND SIX times as many gun related homicides in the US as there are in the UK - and your population is only five times ours. That equates to americans having a 4120% higher risk than brits of being killed by a gun. You do the 'math' (when you abbreviate a word, you're supposed to keep the 's' on the end if it's plural you see).

And where do you get your up-to-date news from??? Tony Martin, the farmer who shot ONE burglar, shot him years ago. He got in to trouble because he used "unreasonable force" - which it was. The 16 year old who he killed didn't have any kind of weapon with him. You'd be just as well saying that if someone tapped you on the shoulder, you could turn 'round and blast their head off. After all, they could have a gun in their pocket. And yes, his gun was illegal. He didn't have a licence, so it was illegal. Not hard to figure that out either.

And the point about the cctv cameras - most of the cameras on the roads are speed cameras, which are deterrents, not spy cameras. The others are there to provide evidence in case of crime only. I'll admit that I'd rather we didn't have them, but they don't make us a nanny state.

For all the money that's supposed to be in the US, don't you think it's about time you invested it in some education? Or would you all rather invest it in countries you go to war with? And the government, who does it's best to make sure negative press just doesn't happen at all? Or perhaps you could buy your guns for those of you who don't yet have them, form a nation-wide suicide pact, and do the rest of the world a favour???

 Posted by: GodBless at May 21, 2004 04:17 PM

Nimo they keep pointing out your IP because you do not recognize how hypocritical you are.

This was a tragedy for all involved. Please don't act like it is anything but, and take your agenda and rhetoric somewhere else. You will wake up 10 years from today when you have grown up and remember how you acted and feel like a complete putz.

If you care about your agenda, find someone who can voice it better than you.

 Posted by: muslimhunter at May 22, 2004 04:32 AM

if you can leave his comment up, then i can put my two cents in. lately i've had it with muslims. i know you shouldn't let a few bad apples spoil the bunch. but with all this stuff of iraq in the news, i'm sick of it.

i'm SICK of the lady getting fired for taking pics of american soldier coffins. I'm sick of the somalia desecration of our dead soldiers. i'm sick of the four contractors getting desecrated. when are we going to execute Sadam? we put death pics of his sons up on the media.

I GUESS YOU PEOPLE HAVE FORGOT 9-11? cuz i sure won't. the minute that happened, it became open hunting season on terrorists.

andrew nimmo, you're either with america or against it. if you're against it, you have no rights. terrorists have no human rights. i think president bush once said they're not even allowed pow rights.

your comment about killing president bush, you better watch out making those kind of statements. you're probably from the middle east cuz you want no peace. just look at palestine and israel. there was this pathetic cartoon of the grim reaper pointing a gun to his head between the two countries. the truce word is "reload".

your stupid saying about china. china has execution mobile vans. isn't that how the nazis started out? euthanasia got started, than nazis progressed to gassing vans. maybe on top of marking you for a terrorist, maybe we'll label you a nazi too???? cuz your sure don't want peace.

there's no hope for humans. you can count how civilization progresses by the lethality of it's weapons. all i'm waiting for is nuclear war where i can leave a clear image of my shadow giving a not for kids salute.

you've got another thing coming. iraq is only the tip of the ice berg of bad terrorist countries. iraq was ruled by a dictator. now they sabotaged our attempts to help them? muslims are fantical whatevers. they want no peace, so let's take them up on their offer. REMEMBER 9-11 and make the terrorists pay.

i have more sympathy for nick berg than those pics of poor abused terrorists in Abu Ghraib prison.

and don't forget those cute little chechens who recently blew up a russian leader. don't forget to look for that cute chechen video of a russian soldier that will make you have nightmares. and those darling chechens are muslims. have one of those darling mulims explain qasas.

the middle east is in the stone ages. they only use cranes to hang people. something was a real joke in the paper weeks ago, how the people in saudi arabia have to get jobs to support their economy. hmmmm. they also have the blood of 9-11 upon them. i don't understand why america can't attack that country?

DO NOT FORGET 9-11. terrorists have no human rights.

 Posted by: Distilla Truant at May 24, 2004 02:48 AM

Andrew Nimmo did I ever once say I was American? Because I'm not. I just back them 110% now after seeing that fucking disgusting beheading. I agree with everything muslimhunter posted. You have an excellent mind.

 Posted by: andrew nimmo at May 24, 2004 02:28 PM

again...

i have never said i support the terrorists. I support the innocent civilians of any country. i may support SOME terrorists OBJECTIVES (like the Chechens mentioned in another post - a country where the vast majority want independence from Russia, but aren't allowed it), but I have not said that I support their methods.

I do want peace throughout the world. But America going to war with Iraq actually had nothing at all to do with 9-11 (which was a diabolical tragedy). You may remember that the US has already gone to war with Afghanistan - the country where the terrorists actually came from. Iraq was just a (failed) attempt by Bush Jr to finish what his dad started. Hussein was an evil dictator, but punishing an entire country was not the way to get rid of him. It's certainly not had the desired effect, has it?

May I remind you that America, whiter-than-white, actually harbours terrorists itself (AGAIN, i refer to http://www.chomsky.info/articles/20040314.htm). And may I also remind you that America was the source for much of the IRA's funding. Because you're all irish no doubt? Unlike Chechnya, where most people want independence, the people of Northern Ireland are mostly in favour of remaining part of the UK. And I can comment on that, because I am half irish-catholic myself. The situation in Northern Ireland probably will change soon, as the catholic population is growing faster than the protestant. When this happens, i dare say that Northern Ireland might rejoin the republic. They will have that choice - the chechens don't. And the iraqi's didn't have a choice about Saddam. If they spoke out, he shot them. So why is America so determined to take it out on the Iraqi's??? Because it's easy to convince americans that muslims are all the same - fundamentalist terrorists.

As for saying that "Bush said" that terrorists "aren't even allowed PoW rights" - I'm afraid to say that it's not actually up to him! I thought it was supposed to be 'innocent until proven guilty'? The Bush government doesn't seem to go with this fundamental corner-stone of justice. Just because the military has said "we killed 'em all coz they were terrorists" doesn't mean they were. That's why we have such things as courts, jurys, lawyers, etc.

Bush has personally used his position to breach international law countless times. And all to chase votes. If you seriously believe that Bush's incentive in iraq is to "rid the world of evil", then you're head must be up your ass. There are scores more countries around the world where evil dictatorships rule. Where is Bush then??? If it's not got oil, it's not worth it, is it? (see Bush's handing out of Iraqi contracts for details).

Btw, please forgive me distilla, perhaps I should have addressed my previous comment directly to you. Only I didn't, and therefore did not say that you personally are american.

And godbless, pointing out someone's IP address doesn't actually serve any purpose in showing if someone is hypcritical or not, does it? It just shows that someone else is too paranoid about there website being blamed for posting nasty comments about their government (in the first case). In the second case, it just proves that I live in the UK. A fact i've never disputed, or hidden.

 Posted by: Distilla Truant at May 25, 2004 02:49 AM

Blah blah blah... Meh I think you are just repeating yourself and babbling nonsense. No everyone is not Irish. I'm not Irsih, American, British or from the Middle East. Geez just get over it dude. Some people just don't know when to quit and get on with it. You are one of these people. hardly anyone shares your views. No matter what you write you always make it seem like you are on the Iraqis side and have some kind of severe problem with America. Meh...

 Posted by: andrew nimmo at May 25, 2004 03:02 AM

I'll get over it when people actually think before they open their mouths distilla. And i think you'll find that a hell of a lot of people do share my views.

 Posted by: Distilla Truant at May 26, 2004 12:12 AM

Yeah and a hell of alot more people DONT share your veiws! Why did yuo only write 2 lines that time? Usualy you will write a massive ass essay babbling about shit that most people just skim over reading and dont actually take any notice of. They would read it but in their heads the words would read "blah blah blah" and then occasionaly they would find something worth reading. I'm sure people do think before they open their mouths but in this case maybe you wouild like to consider rephrasing to maybe something along the lines of "people should think before they make a post"... Meh...

 Posted by: Mindflayer at May 26, 2004 01:00 AM

andrew nimmo:

Misaction - if that is your belief - by the elected authority does not justify an action of such barbarism.

I must ask - what is your nationality? Have you ever been to Kosovo, to Somalia, to Normandy, to Sicily, to Seoul, to Aachen, to anywhere were our young men have laid down their lives for the ideals that we hold dear, even when the USA's own existence was not threatened? While the EU hemmed and hawed over the situation in the Balkans, thousands of Muslims were being executed by your European Christian brothers. It was only after the USA dedicated its young men and women to the danger that the situation ended.

What I find abhorrent is the rise of anti-Semitism in Europe. I have European friends, and the stories they tell me are disgusting. What I find fascinating is that Israel is the other popular whipping boy. Meanwhile, most Europeans have never been to Israel. Despite the stories of a Jewish-run media, a lot of the atrocities conducted against the Israeli people are not reported. If anyone actually went to see the conditions in person, they might change their minds.

The United States of America is the bastion of a truly secular and heterogeneous society. We make mistakes, that is for certain. But overall, we are the most compassionate nation on Earth.

 Posted by: andrew nimmo at May 26, 2004 04:24 PM

'misaction' by the elected authority does not justify that kind of behaviour, no. but the iraqis who killed berg hadn't anything to do with the american government before they sent their rednecked troops in to their country. they certainly weren't elected by them.

i'm from the uk. nothing to be proud of particularly, especially since our government takes instructions from Bush.

not been to kosovo, somalia, seoul or aachen, but i have been to normandy and sicily. and i've been to the somme, ypres and dunkirk. seen hundreds of french WW2 graveyards, where row upon row of french, british, american, dutch etc, lay buried. It's a sombre place. And that was a just cause, even 'though the USA didn't think it was until Japan threatened them.

Iraq was also a just cause, but not for going in because of some tenuous link to al qaeda. or for the weapons of mass deception.

And having a negative view of Israel is not anti-semetic. The opinion of most non-americans is that Israel is doing to the palestinians what was done to them by the nazi's (who, let us not forget, are still very active in the states today). Admittedly, I don't have first hand experience of Israel, but I also know that the UK news system is one of the most impartial and honest news systems in the world.

The Israeli Justice Minister, Yosaf Lapid, said himself the other day that tv images of palestinians in gaza reminded him of his own family in WW2.

On the balkans, the UK government and people were the most active of all countries. We didn't hum and haw, but we did seek backing from other countries first. The USA was taken in there by the UK, not the other way around.

Anyway, I've spent far too long trying to get others to un-blinker themselves - without success sadly. What will be good though will be when even the UK doesn't support the US all the time. And that's going to be happening pretty soon.

 Posted by: mennonot at May 28, 2004 10:02 AM

Michael Berg, father of Nicholas, weighs in:

"So what were we to do when we in America were attacked on Sept. 11, that infamous day? I say we should have done then what we never did before: Stop speaking to the people we labeled our enemies and start listening to them. Stop giving preconditions to our peaceful coexistence on this small planet and start honoring and respecting every human's need to live free and autonomously, to truly respect the sovereignty of every state, whether it be Israel or Palestine or Iraq. To stop making up rules by which others must live -- and then separate rules for ourselves."

The full editorial here:
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/05/26/my_sons_mission_of_peace?mode=PF

Seems of all the people out there spouting opinions, he has the most right to be ticked off. Which makes his talk of honor, respect, and peace talk all the more impressive.

 Posted by: andrew nimmo at May 28, 2004 06:32 PM

:o)

 Posted by: Mat at May 31, 2004 11:30 PM

Personally, I have to agree with Andrew and Michael Berg. (Although you were a bit extreme there Andrew).

For the record, we Aussie's are really annoyed at the actions of the Bush government. Forget the terrorists, ignoring international law (treatment of POW's) and invading countries for no _real_ reason is just wrong.

No one will ever read this post, but its just here for the record.

 Posted by: Gretchen at May 31, 2004 11:48 PM

Mennonot I feel nothing but sympathy for the Berg family. But I believe there is more going on here than we know, there is much to be curious about that American traveling in Iraq.

I feel symapthy for Bergs family but think he is off base regarding these people. If we listen to them, they will say what they have always said and most of them are not options.

They want us to not support Israel in any way. While Israel is exasperating does anyone doubt that if they did not have our support they would be overrun by Arab countries immediately?

Al Queda says they hate us because we are in Saudi Arabia when we had to be to contain Iraq. But most they hate us because we are not them. We are infidels. Really listen to the rhetoric being taught to their young people in schools and you will be horrified. This is not a misunderstanding regarding table manners. These people think we are evil, and beneath them, because we are not them.

As an Australian I often find the United States just as exasperating but to draw the conclusions many of my fellows from Oz or Europeans do about them, that this is all their fault is folly. Appeasement does not work.

We should listen, of course! But most do not seem to see that they do not see that these are people who want war and death and killing for their own purposes and if it was not the USA they were trying to kill it would be someone else.

These people are in the stone ages. Trying to reason with them as some think we should would be like trying to reason with our ancient christian ancestors.

 Posted by: ProGradient at June 1, 2004 10:17 PM

Berg's father has also said "The father of Nick Berg, the American beheaded in Iraq directly blamed President Bush and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on Thursday for his son's death.

"My son died for the sins of George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld. This administration did this," Berg said in an interview with radio station KYW-AM."

You have to feel sorry for his family but it is obvious he is out of touch with reality. He is just as much of a loon as the fundamental christians or total pacifist none are rational but they sure do think they are and have every justification in the book. And when their justification stops working they make up a new one.

He is a loon who has had tragedy in his family but the stuff out of his mouth does not make sense to anyone. I think now the democrats have more outlandish conspiracies than Al Queda, not even they say Bush and Saudi Arabia have some sort of oil deal. It is all so stupid.

 Posted by: dr_turgeon at June 15, 2004 12:25 AM

Don't you think it's likely that this "war on terror" will have the effect of increasing terrorism worldwide? It's seems pathetic, but it one might suppose that, here in the US, history began on 9-11. But now we're REALLY making friends all over the place.

"DO NOT FORGET 9-11. terrorists have no human rights." Ahh, the truest words a muslimhunter could utter. Upping-the-ante will bring things to a happy end, surely! To quote another's sage words here in response: "What kind of fundamentalist crack are you smoking, Osama!!!"

Berg's father spoke passionately but figuratively about poorly conceived tactics or "sins" of the US leaders. Disagree... Just don't dismiss this reasoning as his being a "loon." Terrorism is low-budget warfare. Does it follow that our higher budget for warfare will improve the chances of fixing this problem?

-- But who cares! Game over. Let's go get wasted, man.

 Posted by: daniel peal at June 17, 2004 08:51 PM

get our fucking troops out of there!!! Get them a gov't that reasonably and keep a close eye on them with our troops back here. god bless the family's of the captured americans, i prey everynight for there safe return.i think everyone including the gov't should see it as thier family member out there and act upon that.

 Posted by: ebert at June 18, 2004 03:46 PM

Andrew Nimmo has too much time on his hands. People like him forget that (in America) you can't have untra left wing groups like "earth first" without ultra right wing groups like the "nazi's". They both have the RIGHT to say whatever they wish. It's up to us as citizens to either listen or not. These groups are out on the edges of society and that the vast majority of us are somewhere in the middle. He makes it sound like we all love Mr. Bush, does anybody (besides me) remember how close that election was? It's easy to point the finger and jump on the "American bashing bandwagon", I've found out that usually people like that should look in the mirror first.

 Posted by: Mark Eggert at June 18, 2004 04:42 PM

The problem is how to fight someone who firmly believes his death will martyr him and land him in heaven. We need to make his potential burden of dying greater than the benefit of entering his martyrdom paradise. At present, what is the worst that could happen to the terrorist? He dies. What was he going to do? Kill himself. Either way, he's martyred and goes to heaven. We need to find a facet of his belief which will preclude his entry to paradise (ie. make him "unclean") and publicly render the would-be human bombs we capture unfit for heaven. I'm told General Pershing did this early in the last century by dousing (or threatening to douse) his captives terrorists with pig's blood. I abhor torture, but I also believe, with this enemy, we cannot afford the luxury of treating him in a genteel manner.

 Posted by: Heddy at June 18, 2004 04:48 PM

This shit is just ridiculous. We had no business going over there and Bush has made a fucking mess of everything. How the hell do you face this man's family. What the hell do you say? I'm sorry??? Please, I'd punch him in his damn face for saying something so utterly stupid to me. This is going nowhere fast and we need a resolution NOW. He needs to bring the men and women sacrificing their lives for NOTHING home NOW!

 Posted by: Sifumonk at June 18, 2004 09:26 PM

America is not evil. America is not saintly. We are a diverse collection of people who are well informed about some things and incredibly well mis-informed about others.

I wish it were clearer to some of the people posting that our society is DRIVEN by the rich elite 1-3%. We are not in Iraq to save the Iraqi's. We are not there to win the war on terror. We are there to line the pockets of our aristocracy which is shrinking in size and growing in power. We, the vast majority, are BOMBARDED by the party line from television, radio, internet, newspapers, etc. I'd like to avoid the use of the word 'brainwash' because of its paranoid denotation but what is happening is awfully close. . .

It saddens me to hear my fellow majority Americans defending our aristocracy. It smacks of subservience.

Atrocities are atrocious. Beheadings are sickening. Hazing of prisoners is unjust under any circumstances. We are all wrong. That's the problem. The 'they started it' or 'they deserve it' line of thought will only lead to more wrong answers. I see no sign that either we or the Iraqi's are willing to lay aside pridefulness and find the perspective that we need. We must have our money and they must have their enemy.

Heddy, I'm sorry but our troops are sacrificing their lives for something. Widows, single parent households and childless parents are being created so that our wealthy elite can have more.

That's the way we do things. We climb the ladder no matter whose head we have to step on. That's our WAY. It's reinforced and justified by nearly every commercial on television. We've been hearing it so long that it has become a gentle buzz in our ears that we usually don't even notice anymore. It's even against the rules to sqwuak if you happen to get your head stepped on.

I was born here, my close family lives here and I am have very little money. The escape velocity required to get out of America's orbit is vast.

God bless the world, God bless our troops and God help us all.

P.S. Even if you don't agree with me, please do not post my address. That was intolerably bad form and it is in spite of this that I choose to participate.

P

 Posted by: I H8 Bush at August 3, 2004 07:44 PM

I agree with much of what Andrew has to say. As is quite obvious from the above posts many other people from America and the rest of the world also agree. It seems that Americans automatically assume that they have a right to make war on anyone. This time the excuse was weapons of mass destruction (most of which America actually gave them) what will be the excuse tomorrow. And what will you do if someone else decides that someone has Weapons Of Mass Destruction. What will bush say if Communist China was to invade Taiwan because they thought they were making nukes. Bush would call it an unprecedented act of brutality. They would demand that the UN convene and Convict Chinese authorities for assorted war crimes. If the world brings up Iraq they will protest mightily that it was totally different and that will be it.

 Posted by: Tony Williamson at November 5, 2005 02:20 PM

I have not seen the video, where can I find it?